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BT16 Topical Panel 05 - Family and Marital Therapy - Lynn Lyons, Wendel Ray, Stan Tatkin, and Jeffrey Zeig


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Topic Areas:
Family Therapy |  Couples Therapy |  Topical Panels |  Brief Therapy |  Marriage |  Ericksonian Hypnosis and Therapy Techniques |  Systems Thinking |  Therapist Development
Categories:
Brief Therapy Conference |  Brief Therapy Conference 2016 |  Pioneers in Couples and Family Therapy
Faculty:
Lynn Lyons, LICSW |  Wendel Ray, PhD |  Stan Tatkin, PsyD, MFT |  Jeffrey Zeig, PhD
Duration:
1:02:12
Format:
Audio Only
Original Program Date:
Dec 10, 2016
License:
Never Expires.



Description

Description:

Educational Objectives:

  1. Compare and contrast clinical and philosophical perspectives of experts.

*Sessions may be edited for content and to preserve confidentiality*

Outline:

Introduction and Panel Setup

  • Jeff Zieg outlines the session: each panelist presents for 5 minutes, followed by interaction and Q&A.

  • Emphasis on audience participation to solve clinical challenges.

  • Panelists: Lynn Lyons, Wendell Ray, and Stan Tatkin.

Wendell Ray on Marital Therapy

  • References Don Jackson’s 1956 work on relational control in marriage.

  • Central issue: who controls the definition of the relationship.

  • Pathology arises when control becomes a persistent struggle.

  • Highlights the therapeutic value of understanding power dynamics.

Stan Tatkin on Couple and Family Therapy

  • Uses a psycho-biological model focusing on brain, body, and relational systems.

  • Prefers working with dyads instead of whole families for clarity and depth.

  • Breaks down families into couples-style units to enhance treatment effectiveness.

Jeff Zieg’s Case: Child with Agoraphobia

  • 10-year-old boy with agoraphobia from a working-class family.

  • Uses a puzzle metaphor to engage the child and involve the family.

  • Applies Ericksonian techniques like externalization and storytelling.

  • Encourages family-wide participation to resolve the child’s symptoms.

Lynn Lyons on Anxious Families

  • Works with anxious children and parents through immediate, action-based methods.

  • Describes anxiety as a “cult leader” and uses a whiteboard metaphor to visualize this.

  • Focuses on empathy, creativity, and playful realism to build trust and connection.

  • Prioritizes presence and adaptability over rigid methods.

Therapist Confidence and Communication

  • Tatkin and Lyons stress the importance of therapist self-assurance.

  • Therapists should use plain language, build quick rapport, and stay authentic.

  • Confidence and consistency improve trust and therapeutic success.

  • Therapists must balance discipline with flexibility and realness.

Jeff Zieg on Hypnosis in Family Therapy

  • Hypnosis can down-regulate emotion and access adaptive states.

  • Uses techniques like amnesia and age regression to understand family roles.

  • Emphasizes viewing hypnotic states as natural parts of family interaction.

  • Recommends integrating hypnotic tools with systemic awareness.

Audience Q&A and Final Thoughts

  • Question about countering hypnotic inductions in couples/family therapy.

  • Zieg and Tatkin suggest using hypnosis to regulate affect and create change.

  • Panelists reiterate the importance of therapist creativity, playfulness, and self-trust.

Credits



Faculty

Lynn Lyons, LICSW's Profile

Lynn Lyons, LICSW Related Seminars and Products


Lynn Lyons is a psychotherapist in Concord, New Hampshire specializing in the treatment of anxiety
disorders in adults and children for over 30 years.

Lynn speaks about anxiety, its role in families, and the need for a preventative approach at home
and in schools. She is a featured expert in the 2023 documentary Anxious Nation and has appeared
in the New York Times, Time, NPR, Psychology Today, Good Morning America, Today, and other
media outlets.  

She is the co-host of the popular podcast Flusterclux. 

Lynn has authored several books and articles on anxiety, including The Anxiety Audit, Anxious Kids,
Anxious Parents, and the companion book for kids, Playing with Anxiety: Casey’s Guide for Teens
and Kids (with Reid Wilson.)


Wendel Ray, PhD's Profile

Wendel Ray, PhD Related Seminars and Products


Wendel A. Ray, Ph.D, is Hammond Endowed Professor of Education and Professor of Family System Theory in the Marriage & Therapy Program, at The University of Louisiana-Monroe (ULM). The former Director of the Mental Research Institute (MRI) in Palo Alto, California, as well as a former member of the MRI Brief Therapy Center, and the MRI Strategic Family Therapy Project, Dr. Ray continues to serve as an MRI Senior Research Fellow.


Stan Tatkin, PsyD, MFT's Profile

Stan Tatkin, PsyD, MFT Related Seminars and Products


Stan Tatkin, PsyD, MFT, is a clinician, researcher, teacher, and developer of A Psychobiological Approach to Couple Therapy (PACT®). He has a clinical practice in Calabasas, CA, where he has specialized for the last 15 years in working with couples and individuals who wish to be in relationships. He and his wife, Tracey Boldemann-Tatkin, developed the PACT Institute for the purpose of training other psychotherapists to use this method in their clinical practice.


Jeffrey Zeig, PhD's Profile

Jeffrey Zeig, PhD Related Seminars and Products


Jeffrey K. Zeig, PhD, is the Founder and Director of the Milton H. Erickson Foundation and is president of Zeig, Tucker & Theisen, Inc., publishers in the behavioral sciences. He has edited, co-edited, authored or coauthored more than 20 books on psychotherapy that appear in twelve foreign languages. Dr. Zeig is a psychologist and marriage and family therapist in private practice in Phoenix, Arizona. 


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