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EP85 Panel 02 - Group, Individual, or Family Therapy I - Mary M. Goulding, MSW; Virginia Satir, ACSW; Paul Watzlawick, PhD; Jeffrey K. Zeig, PhD


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Topic Areas:
Topical Panels |  Family Therapy |  Group Therapy |  Psychotherapy |  Systems Thinking
Categories:
Evolution of Psychotherapy |  Evolution of Psychotherapy 1985
Faculty:
Mary Goulding, MSW |  Virginia Satir, MA, ACSW |  Paul Watzlawick, PhD |  Jeffrey Zeig, PhD
Duration:
56 Minutes
Format:
Audio Only
Original Program Date:
Dec 11, 1985
License:
Never Expires.



Description

Description:

Educational Objectives:

  1. To compare and contrast clinical and philosophical perspectives of experts.

*Sessions may be edited for content and to preserve confidentiality*

Outline:

  • Moderator Ted Reid outlines panel structure: brief talks by each speaker (Mary Goulding, Virginia Satir, Jeffrey Zieg), followed by discussion and Q&A

  • Focus: comparing individual, family, and group therapy

Mary Goulding on Therapy Approaches

  • Prefers couples and group therapy over individual work

  • Believes in involving family, even if one person is presenting the issue

  • Uses fantasy and role-playing to help clients revisit and revise past decisions

  • Finds group therapy energizing and particularly effective for abrasive clients and those with borderline traits

  • Stresses importance of individual work alongside group sessions for tolerance-building

Virginia Satir on Context in Therapy

  • Seeks clarity on whether the panel refers to therapy format or setting

  • Highlights challenges and benefits of shifting between individual, family, and group contexts

  • Emphasizes understanding family systems and external influences

  • Advocates flexibility in adapting therapy to each unique family system

  • Suggests fantasy work and inviting families into sessions for meaningful change

Jeffrey Zieg’s Communication-Focused Approach

  • Prefers individual therapy for its clarity, but acknowledges family work's systemic value

  • Tracks six components of communication: behavior, thought, feelings, senses, attitudes, relationships

  • Focuses interventions on weak points in the client’s relational system

  • Emphasizes therapist’s ability to judge context and adapt methods

Paul on Systemic Family Therapy

  • Shifted from individual therapy to systemic work through influence from Bateson and MRI group

  • Focuses on present relational dynamics, not just insight or history

  • Encourages direct intervention to reshape client realities

  • Differentiates between linear and circular causality

Personal and Clinical Insights

  • Mary Goulding shares personal therapeutic growth and the role of emotional responsibility

  • Paul and Mary advocate for home visits to understand the client’s real-world context

  • Emphasis on adaptability, realistic goal-setting, and the therapist’s presence in the client’s environment

Final Reflections

  • Panelists agree no one-size-fits-all approach works—context matters

  • Therapy should be flexible and responsive to client needs

  • Continuous learning, curiosity, and creativity are essential for effective therapy

 

Credits



Faculty

Mary Goulding, MSW's Profile

Mary Goulding, MSW Related Seminars and Products


Mary Goulding, MSW, is one of the leading exponents of Transactional Analysis. Along with her husband Robert Goulding, she developed an approach called Redecision therapy which synthesizes Transactional Analysis and Gestalt. Together they founded the Western Institute for Group and Family Therapy in Watsonville, California, and co-authored two professional books about their approach. There is also an edited volume about the Redecision model. Mary has served as a member of the Board of Trustees of the International Transactional Analysis Association and is a Teaching Member of that organization. Her M.S.W. was granted in 1960 from the School of Social Welfare, University of California, Berkeley.


Virginia Satir, MA, ACSW's Profile

Virginia Satir, MA, ACSW Related Seminars and Products


For almost forty years, Virginia Satir has practiced and taught psychotherapy. One of the founders of family therapy, she has co-authored four books and authored five. Additionally, there are a number of books about her approach. She was recipient of the Distinguished Family Therapy Award from the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy. 

Satir wass the co-founder of the Mental Research Institute. She wass past president of the Association of Humanistic Psychology and has a number of honorary doctorates. Her master's degree was granted in 1948 from the University of Chicago School of Social Service Administration.


Paul Watzlawick, PhD's Profile

Paul Watzlawick, PhD Related Seminars and Products


Paul Watzlawick, received his Ph.D. from the University of Venice in 1949. He has an Analyst's Diploma from the C.G. Jung Institute for Analytic Psychology in Zurich. Watzlawick has practiced psychotherapy for more than 30 years. He was research associate and principal investigator at the Mental Research Institute. He was Clinical Professor at the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Stanford University Medical Center. Watzlawick is a noted family therapist; he is recipient of the Distinguished Achievement Award from the American Family Therapy Association. Also, he is author, co-author or editor of eight books on the topics of interactional psychotherapy, human communication and constructivist philosophy.

He formulated five axioms. They are:

  1. It is not possible to not communicate. Every behavior is some kind of non-verbal communication.
  2. Every communication has a content. In addition, there is 'metainformation', which says how the communicator wants to be understood.
  3. All partners involved in a communication process also interpret their own behaviour during communication.
  4. Human communication involves both verbal and non-verbal communication. In addition to the spoken words, there are is also a non-spoken part (gestures, behavior, intonation..) which is part of the communication.
  5. Communication between humans is either symmetric or complementary. This is based on whether the relationship of those communicating is based on differences or parity.


Jeffrey Zeig, PhD's Profile

Jeffrey Zeig, PhD Related Seminars and Products


Jeffrey K. Zeig, PhD, is the Founder and Director of the Milton H. Erickson Foundation and is president of Zeig, Tucker & Theisen, Inc., publishers in the behavioral sciences. He has edited, co-edited, authored or coauthored more than 20 books on psychotherapy that appear in twelve foreign languages. Dr. Zeig is a psychologist and marriage and family therapist in private practice in Phoenix, Arizona. 


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